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What people say about the Southern shores
and plans for its development


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Below is a selection of posts that mentioned the reefs and wildlife of the Southern shores
The full thread


huaiwei The Monkey King
March 15th, 2004, 08:15 PM

Hmm...I wonder what is going to happen to the tranquil nature of our southern islands once this happens....I dont noe if I shd be happy or not!

RafflesCity Asia in a City!
March 15th, 2004, 11:08 PM

Bleah. I bet most Singaporeans have not even set foot there. I take the optimistic view that we are maximising our limited resources to further extract revenue from them. Besides, theres always Pulau Ubin or that 'rubbish dump'

szehoong KL Native
March 16th, 2004, 04:48 AM

Is that Kusu Island part of the development plan as well? Huaiwei > Have you been to the Southern Islands? Are they tourist attractions now?

huaiwei The Monkey King
March 16th, 2004, 12:35 PM

No I have never been there, which is prolly why I am a little aghast by the plans? But I do noe from my studies here, that the southern islands is actually one of the last remining enclave of an extensive colony of corals. They are already coming under attack from nearby developments, and any development on the islands themselves will surely spell doom for our remaining natural treasure if considerations for their survival are not taken into account.

RafflesCity Asia in a City!
March 16th, 2004, 11:38 PM

Its a classic case of development vs nature. Some letters to the Straits Times. I really feel this is a good time to reinvent Sentosa. Anyway huaiwei said that the greatest tragedy for Singapore was the settlement of mankind on it -_-

16/3/04 IN REFERENCE to the article, 'Top-draw resort for southern isles' (ST, March 13), I would like to enquire from the authorities what is being done to prevent 'further reclamation' from adversely affecting marine life in the Southern Islands. As a diver and former student of coral-reef ecology at the National University of Singapore, I am concerned about the impact of sedimen-tation from reclamation and other sources on the marine life. It would be a counter-productive effort if the marine life is adversely affected as a result of trying to develop the region for tourism.
LAM KOI YAU

IF THE Government is really serious about making Sentosa into a world-class resort, it must be prepared to relocate the commercial vessel anchorage that is currently in front of the island. This would remove the stench of diesel-oil fumes when the wind blows inland, and the quality of the surrounding seawater would improve. Tourists will not be prepared to pay six-star hotel rates when their view out to sea is a clutter of oil tankers and rusting cargo ships. The romance of a tropical island-paradise is sitting on the balcony and seeing no more than the occasional passing steamer, or sail on the horizon. DEREK ROBINSON

heirloom Queen of Dunnodunnowhat!
March 16th, 2004, 10:26 AM

i dunno anything about lancia... but i just came across its website a few days ago and its got these really gorgeous futuristic retro looking vehicles that look as if they were from the set of gattaca... the lancia ypsilon is a small small car that looks so incredibly regal and is filled with luxury features that could rival ummm a luxury car maybe that's why i'm partial to the lancia thesis... btw i'm not religious or anything but the pope uses an absolutely gorgeous special lancia too

i dont think singapore really has the luxury of conserving too much nature... we really should leave such things to 'proper' countries with more normal land areas? i'mnot saying that the nature reserves here should be done away with, but ummm i think its ok to develop things like that.

heirloom Queen of Dunnodunnowhat!
March 17th, 2004, 01:33 AM

well... considering the chorals hardly contribute to the economy - i dont think anyone would fly here to look at a few corals - they really shouldn't be 'national treasure'? there no no coral farms, or coral gardens, or any coral attractions at all...

huaiwei The Monkey King
March 17th, 2004, 04:32 PM

What a super horrible thing to say....since when is everything tied in with dollars and cents? Here is an EDUCATIONAL post for you about the wonders of our very own coral reefs!!! (the info on the Coral Reefs of Singapore homepage was pasted into the post)

redstone Made in Singapore
March 17th, 2004, 05:06 AM

I hate the idea of joining the Sisters ,St. John's ,Lazarus and other islands together.I'd rather prefer that they'll create another island beside Sentosa and link it with a suspension bridge.

Those small islands are little gems ,pockets of tranqulity that we should preserve for the future generation to enjoy.

szehoong KL Native
March 18th, 2004, 01:24 AM

yea....since coral reefs in Singapore are reduced to a bare minimum, the more the reason to protect em!

heirloom Queen of Dunnodunnowhat!
March 18th, 2004, 02:19 AM

but... there are so many in malaysia (arethere? i assume there are)... as i mentioned earlier.. a 660km2 country can barely afford to set side land for nature at the expense of economic development...

huaiwei The Monkey King
March 18th, 2004, 10:21 AM

When i was younger, I used to care less about nature stuff. I keep wondering why they cant just remove all those silly mangroves and build nice seaside houses. I wondered wat those pockets of forests are for, when tall condos can rise there. And I wonder why all those land cant be reclaimed, since more land = more space.

That was until I realised mangroves were one of the most important zones for research, which can produce some of the most important uses for mankind, especially medicine, and they are actually nature's version of filters which help to remove pollutants. The forests turns out to be nature's airport hubs, housing countless migratory birds stopping over here to recharge for their next trip. And I realised in all those places where reclamation could have taken place, there resides millions of exotic organisms in seemingly useless and ugly mudflats, swamps, and reefs, which will all be lost forever even with a slight tweeking of their surrounding conditions.

Who ever said that Singapore dont have enough space as a justification of removing whatever nature we have left is trying to find the easy way out. why, for eg, are we still impossing a silly height constraint, when we dont constraint the destruction of nature? Why have hundreds of 12 storey flats, when a few more floors can mean saving that precious patch of green?

Because it is cheaper to chop the trees then to engineer a way to preserve them?

Gee.....I dont remember myself ever sounding so pro-nature, but I think my academic studies and the exposure I get with international friends through this forums is really begining to force me to open my eyes a little wider to what is missing around me?

heirloom Queen of Dunnodunnowhat!
March 18th, 2004, 11:42 AM

maybe they should develop a coral reef resort then how do you justify not losing the coral reefs for a potential um star attraction?

huaiwei The Monkey King
March 18th, 2004, 04:31 PM

Corals are best left on their own. We dont need any form of resort to maximise their existance. Tell me which one is easier.....building the resort elsewhere, or moving the coral reef??

szehoong KL Native March 18th, 2004, 06:31 PM

Yea.....I share the same sentiments too although I lived in Malaysia. I've seen Singapore's environment preservation first hand. I've been to Pulau Ubin and Sg. Buloh Nature Reserve as well as Bkt Timah. I dunno why but I've been to the Singapore Botanical Gardens 3 times!!! Although Malaysia had abundance of virgin jungles and mangrove swamps......and with expertise in nature reserves and preservation.......efforts which are being recognised by UNESCO......we're still lacking in terms of environmental awareness amongst the people here. A recent project by a private developer at an island just next to Westport, Port Klang decided to have a mangrove reserve with education and public awareness facility, similar to Sg. Buloh reserve. (it was specifically mentioned by the developer!). So this shows that Singapore did the right thing on preserving the little that is left of a mangrove swamp and made it a showcase......and an educational tool too. In Malaysia, we had an abundance of protected mangrove swamps but most are inaccessable to the public so the Singapore way is something to ponder on. The only time I've been to a mangrove swamp (and possibly the only one opened for public) in Malaysia are those at Kuala Selangor which its main attraction are fireflies.

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